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	<title>Comments on: Ghost in the Shell 2.0 (2008): Review</title>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://timmaughanbooks.com/2009/01/01/ghost-in-the-shell-20-2008-review/#comment-2568</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t comment on the BR release, though I realize that&#039;s the point of this new version.  Let me start off by saying my opinion of GITS is that it&#039;s an amazing film, worthy of all the superlative praise it receives.  It&#039;s a true innovator and, dare I say, a masterpiece.  GITS2 was a successful film as well, different from the original as it may be.  I took the stylistic differences to be just that, and thought the original&#039;s cyberpunk vibe was interestingly contrasted with GITS2&#039;s neo-noir.

GITS 2.0 is an unnecessary mess by comparison; a film that seeks to unify the worlds of GITS and Innocence, two films that exist on different planes.  2.0 is a huge step backward for the integration of CGI and hand-drawn images.  Innocence&#039;s convenience store scene was an extremely successful use of the stylistic shift from Batou&#039;s perceived vision and the reality of what actually took place in the store.  So in 2.0 when we get knock-offs of SAC&#039;s opening sequence whenever is seems like it might be &quot;pretty&quot; to do so, it strikes an empty chord.

The orange interfaces fit the warm aesthetic of Innocence and some of that film&#039;s nostalgic sensibilities (old-timey cars, cop partners on the beat, etc).  The green computer interfaces of GITS lent it to have a colder more mechanical feel, more distinctly and definitively cyberpunk.  To &quot;warm-up&quot; GITS in 2.0 is standing in total contrast to the aesthetic of the hand-drawn animation and moody synthetic tone that makes up the bulk of the film.

Having said all this, I thought I&#039;d at least give the English dub a try with this version, though I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ve ever watched that version before.  Nonetheless, the dub is embarrassing.  I don&#039;t care if all the audio has been remastered and I can hear bullet&#039;s from behind, this dub is trash.  Why go through all the work of an audio remaster if the default language setting still remains so horribly acted.

Needless to say, 2.0 not only holds up poorly in comparison to the original and on its own is a less successful film, but as an &quot;update&quot; in 2008/9 it shows no real progress.  In a film about a future wold and humans&#039; relationships with technology, this is an absolute crime.  Avoid this shallow cash-grab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t comment on the BR release, though I realize that&#8217;s the point of this new version.  Let me start off by saying my opinion of GITS is that it&#8217;s an amazing film, worthy of all the superlative praise it receives.  It&#8217;s a true innovator and, dare I say, a masterpiece.  GITS2 was a successful film as well, different from the original as it may be.  I took the stylistic differences to be just that, and thought the original&#8217;s cyberpunk vibe was interestingly contrasted with GITS2&#8217;s neo-noir.</p>
<p>GITS 2.0 is an unnecessary mess by comparison; a film that seeks to unify the worlds of GITS and Innocence, two films that exist on different planes.  2.0 is a huge step backward for the integration of CGI and hand-drawn images.  Innocence&#8217;s convenience store scene was an extremely successful use of the stylistic shift from Batou&#8217;s perceived vision and the reality of what actually took place in the store.  So in 2.0 when we get knock-offs of SAC&#8217;s opening sequence whenever is seems like it might be &#8220;pretty&#8221; to do so, it strikes an empty chord.</p>
<p>The orange interfaces fit the warm aesthetic of Innocence and some of that film&#8217;s nostalgic sensibilities (old-timey cars, cop partners on the beat, etc).  The green computer interfaces of GITS lent it to have a colder more mechanical feel, more distinctly and definitively cyberpunk.  To &#8220;warm-up&#8221; GITS in 2.0 is standing in total contrast to the aesthetic of the hand-drawn animation and moody synthetic tone that makes up the bulk of the film.</p>
<p>Having said all this, I thought I&#8217;d at least give the English dub a try with this version, though I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ve ever watched that version before.  Nonetheless, the dub is embarrassing.  I don&#8217;t care if all the audio has been remastered and I can hear bullet&#8217;s from behind, this dub is trash.  Why go through all the work of an audio remaster if the default language setting still remains so horribly acted.</p>
<p>Needless to say, 2.0 not only holds up poorly in comparison to the original and on its own is a less successful film, but as an &#8220;update&#8221; in 2008/9 it shows no real progress.  In a film about a future wold and humans&#8217; relationships with technology, this is an absolute crime.  Avoid this shallow cash-grab.</p>
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		<title>By: Who&#8217;s Watching Who? &#124; Arjys World</title>
		<link>http://timmaughanbooks.com/2009/01/01/ghost-in-the-shell-20-2008-review/#comment-2248</link>
		<dc:creator>Who&#8217;s Watching Who? &#124; Arjys World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seem that the new version of Ghost In The Shell has a similar problem too, recently reviewed at Tim Maughan Books and getting alot of traffic as a result; so many people have come to love and admire what the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ghost in the Shell 2.0 - Ōkami</title>
		<link>http://timmaughanbooks.com/2009/01/01/ghost-in-the-shell-20-2008-review/#comment-2235</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghost in the Shell 2.0 - Ōkami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (εξαίρεση ο Puppet Master, που στο 2.0 γίνεται η Puppet Master). Εδώ κι εδώ, μπορείτε να βρείτε (πέρα από reviews), αρκετά screenshots που [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (εξαίρεση ο Puppet Master, που στο 2.0 γίνεται η Puppet Master). Εδώ κι εδώ, μπορείτε να βρείτε (πέρα από reviews), αρκετά screenshots που [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dabu</title>
		<link>http://timmaughanbooks.com/2009/01/01/ghost-in-the-shell-20-2008-review/#comment-2217</link>
		<dc:creator>dabu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone comment on how the subtitles for the 2.0 and the theatrical version are on the blu-ray?  I&#039;ve got a japanese dvd version that has &quot;dubtitles&quot; (subtitles of the english dub) and I hope that&#039;s not the case with either version in the blu-ray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone comment on how the subtitles for the 2.0 and the theatrical version are on the blu-ray?  I&#8217;ve got a japanese dvd version that has &#8220;dubtitles&#8221; (subtitles of the english dub) and I hope that&#8217;s not the case with either version in the blu-ray</p>
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		<title>By: Mari Kurisato</title>
		<link>http://timmaughanbooks.com/2009/01/01/ghost-in-the-shell-20-2008-review/#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>Mari Kurisato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw 2.0, Tim,(thank you!)  and I have to say, having watched the original so many times I&#039;ve bought two replacement DVD&#039;s, I think the real beauty is in the subtle changes-- the score, the updated sound effects, and the small edits. Yes I think the CG sequences were a bit jarring at first, but it  actually cleared up a few questions required the original scenes  that actually changed the story for me. 

The scene in the end where the strange feather creature was replaced by a flowing river of light indicating data made that scene so much clearer.  And after the first few minutes, the occasional visual differences of the CGI versus the retouched hand drawn cels didn&#039;t bother me. 

I think the UI designs were a bit overflowing, but that&#039;s the point: in contrast with the person above who states the original look &quot; provides much clearer tactical information, and only the information required&quot;  I think the 3D superclutter indicated the reality of tactical maps; the information doesn&#039;t need simplification for cyber-brain people. In fact , they need as much data as possible about the environment in case the suspect were to go in an unexpected direction. This was an artistic choice to to go towards &quot;in world&quot; realism, and it made sense. Not to mention that much of the UI and environment redesigns tied the film closer in visual chronology to Innocence.

I hate to be a dissenter here, but I think this &quot;upgrade&quot; edition really does go against the grain of &quot;special editions kill films&quot; and proves that films can now be improved like the final draft of a novel, in the multimedia sense. In the end, I think the changes won&#039;t diminish the original, but were definitely a nice addition.

Of course, I really want to see more Ghost in the Shell films/series anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw 2.0, Tim,(thank you!)  and I have to say, having watched the original so many times I&#8217;ve bought two replacement DVD&#8217;s, I think the real beauty is in the subtle changes&#8211; the score, the updated sound effects, and the small edits. Yes I think the CG sequences were a bit jarring at first, but it  actually cleared up a few questions required the original scenes  that actually changed the story for me. </p>
<p>The scene in the end where the strange feather creature was replaced by a flowing river of light indicating data made that scene so much clearer.  And after the first few minutes, the occasional visual differences of the CGI versus the retouched hand drawn cels didn&#8217;t bother me. </p>
<p>I think the UI designs were a bit overflowing, but that&#8217;s the point: in contrast with the person above who states the original look &#8221; provides much clearer tactical information, and only the information required&#8221;  I think the 3D superclutter indicated the reality of tactical maps; the information doesn&#8217;t need simplification for cyber-brain people. In fact , they need as much data as possible about the environment in case the suspect were to go in an unexpected direction. This was an artistic choice to to go towards &#8220;in world&#8221; realism, and it made sense. Not to mention that much of the UI and environment redesigns tied the film closer in visual chronology to Innocence.</p>
<p>I hate to be a dissenter here, but I think this &#8220;upgrade&#8221; edition really does go against the grain of &#8220;special editions kill films&#8221; and proves that films can now be improved like the final draft of a novel, in the multimedia sense. In the end, I think the changes won&#8217;t diminish the original, but were definitely a nice addition.</p>
<p>Of course, I really want to see more Ghost in the Shell films/series anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: weigy</title>
		<link>http://timmaughanbooks.com/2009/01/01/ghost-in-the-shell-20-2008-review/#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator>weigy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I don&#039;t consider the original to be outdated. It looks a lot more sophisticated and controlled to me. I&#039;m with Plasmacutter and Tim here.

It&#039;s got Oshii&#039;s pinpoint accuracy. Everything that is on the frame... is all that needs to be on the frame. I&#039;ll write about this on length as a blog post soon... It&#039;s something that&#039;s been festering on my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I don&#8217;t consider the original to be outdated. It looks a lot more sophisticated and controlled to me. I&#8217;m with Plasmacutter and Tim here.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s got Oshii&#8217;s pinpoint accuracy. Everything that is on the frame&#8230; is all that needs to be on the frame. I&#8217;ll write about this on length as a blog post soon&#8230; It&#8217;s something that&#8217;s been festering on my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: UK Anime Releases &#8211; October 2009 at Tim Maughan Books</title>
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		<dc:creator>UK Anime Releases &#8211; October 2009 at Tim Maughan Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] though I&#8217;m still not sure it is enough to dispel my reservations about the changes I raised when reviewing the Japanese Bluray back in January. Stay tuned though, as well as for my imminent look at the Innocence Bluray release. Now, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] though I&#8217;m still not sure it is enough to dispel my reservations about the changes I raised when reviewing the Japanese Bluray back in January. Stay tuned though, as well as for my imminent look at the Innocence Bluray release. Now, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 10 things season 2 / secret girlfriend / anime blu-rays / desolation day 1 &#171; Within This Shell</title>
		<link>http://timmaughanbooks.com/2009/01/01/ghost-in-the-shell-20-2008-review/#comment-1327</link>
		<dc:creator>10 things season 2 / secret girlfriend / anime blu-rays / desolation day 1 &#171; Within This Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] films onto Blu-ray this November 24th. Ghost In The Shell 2.0 will feature many graphical &#8220;upgrades&#8221; over the original film and Blood: The Last Vampire will include both high definition and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Revival! Ghost In The Shell 2.0 Remastered &#171; A Face Made for Radio: Helen McCarthy&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revival! Ghost In The Shell 2.0 Remastered &#171; A Face Made for Radio: Helen McCarthy&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some elements, like the computer maps in the early sequences, are entirely different. Shots of Kusanagi in the opening sequence have been completely rebuilt in CGI, as have some (but not all) mecha shots.  The colour balance has changed, with he new CGI shifting from cold, relatively clean blue/greys to a warmer, dirtier brown/gold spectrum. (You can see some interesting frame comparisons here.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some elements, like the computer maps in the early sequences, are entirely different. Shots of Kusanagi in the opening sequence have been completely rebuilt in CGI, as have some (but not all) mecha shots.  The colour balance has changed, with he new CGI shifting from cold, relatively clean blue/greys to a warmer, dirtier brown/gold spectrum. (You can see some interesting frame comparisons here.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Oshii speaks, reveals details of new live action movie at Tim Maughan Books</title>
		<link>http://timmaughanbooks.com/2009/01/01/ghost-in-the-shell-20-2008-review/#comment-1144</link>
		<dc:creator>Oshii speaks, reveals details of new live action movie at Tim Maughan Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] readers will know about my fanatical love for the animated works of Mamoru Oshii (Ghost in the Shell, Sky Crawlers), but they might not realize how much I also bug-out for his live action films. His [...]</description>
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